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In this podcast interview series, NHS whistleblower Peter Duffy and Patient Safety Learning’s Chief Executive Helen Hughes explore how the healthcare system responds when its staff raise concerns about patient safety. In each episode, Helen and Peter interview someone who has spoken up about patient safety issues in healthcare organisations, or who works to help staff raise concerns where they see unsafe care. In this episode, emergency medicine doctor Chelcie Jewitt describes why and how she co-founded Surviving in Scrubs, a campaign that shares survivor stories of sexism, harassment and sexual assault in the healthcare workforce. She outlines the work the campaign is doing with professional regulators to set clear behavioural standards that will more effectively hold perpetrators to account. She also describes the training and support that Surviving in Scrubs offers healthcare staff and organisations on how to respond to harassment and abuse. Subscribe to our YouTube podcast to keep up to date with the latest episodes. View a transcript of this interview Read a blog from Peter and Helen about the interview series

At the beginning of 2025 we launched our video interview series Speaking up for patient safety. The series is hosted by Peter Duffy, NHS whistleblower and Chair of the Healthcare Working Group at WhistleblowersUK, and Helen Hughes, Patient Safety Learning’s Chief Executive.  In each interview we hear from someone who has raised concerns about patient safety in healthcare, often at great cost to their own career and personal life. They share their story and their reflections on what needs to be done to improve organisational cultures so that when staff raise patient safety issues, their concerns are responded to appropriately and not dismissed because they are inconvenient to address. Alongside the thread of bravery and tenacity that runs through each contributor, a number of common themes come up time and again as people share their experiences. In this blog, Helen and Peter look at some of these themes and outline their implications for people who speak up or whistleblow. We are now three months into the series, which seems like a good time to stop and reflect on what we have learned so far. Our introductory blog about ‘Speaking up for patient safety’ explains why we launched the series and what we hope it will achieve. It also explains in more detail what we mean when we talk about speaking up and whistleblowing. Briefly, speaking up in healthcare is when a member of staff raises concerns about something that is worrying them to a manager or someone else within, or outside of, their organisation. In some cases—but not all—when someone speaks up, it is also defined as ‘whistleblowing’. Whistleblowing always involves a concern that is in the public interest and might relate to a criminal offence, health and safety risks, failures to carry out legal obligations, a miscarriage of justice, or an attempt to conceal and cover up any of these things. Three key themes from the interviews so far These are the top three recurring themes we have noticed coming up in the interviews so far. Other issues we have noticed include the lack of clarity about who should take responsibility for whistleblowing and the reality of threats and bullying, and we will continue to explore these issues going forward. 1. “I didn’t realise I was speaking up, I was just doing my job!” Perhaps the comment we have heard most frequently is that people didn’t realise they were formally speaking up or whistleblowing—they just thought they were doing their job. Every healthcare profession has a set of professional standards which all practitioners are expected to keep to. For example, the General Medical Council (GMC) states that all doctors have a duty to take action by raising concerns if they believe patient care or safety are at risk.[1] In addition, each healthcare organisation has a code of conduct, which will include requirements for staff to be honest, open and accountable for their work. For the interviewees we spoke to, to not raise their concerns would be a failure to fulfil their duty to both their patients and their organisation. When people speak up, they often find themselves in the middle of a process that they had no idea they were entering. This can be very disorientating and leave them unprepared for the path ahead of them. At the end of this blog, we share some advice from our interviewees about what to do if you find yourself in this position. 2. There is a whistleblowing ‘playbook’ Most organisations have policies and support in place to listen to staff members who raise concerns, including access to a Freedom to Speak Up Guardian. We have interviewed Jayne Chidgey-Clark, the National Guardian, who described the good practice that many are developing. However, we are hearing about several common tactics that some organisations use when dealing with people who speak up or blow the whistle. The experiences of our interviewees suggest that these approaches may be deliberately designed to disadvantage the individual throughout the process—from investigation through to employment tribunals. Some of the key activities we have heard about include: Organisations not responding—or responding at the very last minute—to communications from the staff member. Interviewees said they received emails with key information at 5pm on a Friday, which left them with no opportunity to ask questions or respond until the next working week. They expressed their belief that this may be a deliberate tactic to exert pressure on the individual speaking up, which amounts to emotional bullying. The use of occupational health as a way to cast doubt on the mental state of the person. Occupational health providers are often very supportive, but we are concerned that organisations are fishing for reasons to question the believability and motives of staff who speak up. Over-focus on HR issues, rather than focusing on the patient safety issues someone has raised. Mandated isolation from colleagues while investigations take place. This can have a very damaging effect on the person’s mental health as well as restricting their ability to source evidence from other staff in support of the concerns they have raised. We have heard examples of colleagues agreeing to provide supportive testimony, but then feeling pressurised to withdraw this support. Retaliatory referrals against the person speaking up to professional regulators, such as the General Medical Council and Nursing and Midwifery Council, which can have a detrimental effect on a healthcare professional’s reputation and career. Regulators are aware of how such referrals can be used to intimidate whistleblowers and discourage them from raising concerns. Some have approaches to ensure that fitness to practice concerns are appropriately addressed without unfairly impacting doctors who have raised whistleblowing concerns. We believe it is important to identify and call out these tactics so that people raising concerns are aware of them and can seek support and advice. Organisational leaders need to look at their own practice and recognise the ethics of their approaches and whether their actions match their stated organisational values. They need to be aware of the significant damage these tactics cause to people who raise concerns and the chilling impact it might have on their organisational culture, effectively preventing others’ raising concerns. 3. Employment tribunals are unfit, unfair and imbalanced Every person we spoke to who had attempted to pursue justice at an employment tribunal commented that the process was unfit for purpose and not the right place for whistleblowing cases to be heard. Employment tribunals take no interest in the safety issues being raised. The main issue we keep hearing is that the tribunal system is weighted in favour of whichever side has the most financial resources—which will almost always be the employer. A single individual who has lost their employment can rarely succeed against the millions of pounds that organisations are willing to spend on highly specialised lawyers who have tried and tested ways of winning. The playbook we identified above also runs into employment tribunals, with whistleblowers reporting: The employer and their legal advisers withholding key documents, and emails, minutes, notes and other vital information going missing. Key witnesses, often in senior leadership positions, being unable to recall events. Receiving last minute threats from their former employer to come after them for costs and often being given a limited time to consider signing a non-disclosure (NDA) to settle a case. If rejected, often the NHS organisation will seek the full costs from the whistleblower, including expensive external legal costs and internal staff costs, which can amount to thousands of pounds—few whistleblowers can afford to take this financial risk, even if they and their advisers think they have a strong case. Advice from our interviewees if you find yourself speaking up Reflecting on their experiences, our contributors have made some observations about how you can protect yourself when speaking up, should the issue escalate. Try to resolve issues locally first. This is not always possible, but if a concern can be raised and dealt with within a team or with a manager, in some cases this will prevent the situation from escalating to a formal process. Keep a record of concerns and events as they happen. This means you will have some facts and clear observations to refer back to, if the situation does escalate. Don’t go to meetings alone. Take a trusted colleague with you so that every conversation is witnessed. Get your union involved if you are called to meetings about your concerns or receive counter-complaints or accusations. Regulation of NHS managers Some of the interviewees highlighted that regulating NHS managers may be a potential means of tackling some of these issues. The Department of Health and Social Care recently held a public consultation on proposals that could see managers who use misconduct to silence whistleblowers barred from working in the NHS. Patient Safety Learning has formally responded to the consultation, stating that there is a clear case for the regulation of NHS managers, for the protection and benefit of both staff and patients. Everyone in healthcare should be honest and transparent when something goes wrong. Patient Safety Learning’s response expressed support for a professional register of NHS managers and the requirement for individuals in NHS leadership to have a professional duty of candour. These measures would be a positive step in increasing accountability for healthcare organisations in how they respond to staff raising patient safety concerns. But this is only one part of a much wider set of changes needed—significant cultural change also needs to take place in tandem with these reforms. Staff across many organisations are still afraid to speak up, as indicated by the most recent NHS staff survey results. Thank you to our contributors, and an invitation to get involved We’d like to take this opportunity to express our gratitude again to each person who has been willing to share their experiences and insights with us—it can be very difficult to retell traumatic events that have changed the course of your life. We are also aware that there are many other individuals who have experienced unjust treatment because they have spoken up for safety. If that’s you, thank you for your commitment to standing up for safe, ethical care. We invite everyone with experience in this area to contribute to this vital conversation. We would particularly like to hear from: Allied health professionals. Staff from Black and minority ethnic backgrounds Staff in non-clinical roles such as administration. If you would like to share your story, you can: Contribute to our community conversation (you’ll need to sign up first). Comment on any hub post (you’ll need to sign up first). You can find information about organisations that offer support and guidance for staff about speaking up and whistleblowing on the hub. Watch the interviews Helené Donnelly Martyn Pitman Jayne Chidgey-Clark Gordon Caldwell Bernie Rochford Beatrice Fraenkel References General Medical Council. Professional Standards: Raising and acting on concerns about patient safety, 13 December 2024

In this blog, Clare Wade, Patient Safety Learning's Director, draws attention to the impact toxic cultures have on staff and how, sadly, most often nothing is done about it. Clare shares her own personal reflections from past experiences in her career. There is a clear link between toxic cultures and patient safety, and while there are no easy answers these behaviours must be acknowledged, challenged and cured if the NHS is to survive. I’ve personally experienced toxic culture and behaviour on many occasions, but I found two examples particularly tough to navigate. The first was more than 20 years ago when I worked clinically in a trust largely staffed by the local population where most colleagues were either related or friends; I lived some distance away and commuted in. I’d witnessed troubling behaviour from one senior time-served nurse several times, but one day I heard a blatant, serious breach of patient confidentiality between her and another patient. I was shocked and initially didn’t know what to do. I raised it with the nurse involved who laughed at me, and then the sister in charge who told me to just forget it. After much deliberation, I went to the matron in charge of the department. Conversations took place behind closed doors and eventually I was hauled into trust HQ for a formal meeting, alone—the nurse was nowhere in sight. I was accused of causing upset and the nurse had denied any wrongdoing. In no uncertain terms it was made clear that I should keep my head down and mouth closed if I wanted to remain in post. From that day on my time was made miserable, colleagues closed ranks, stopped talking to me and I was ostracised until the day I left the trust. Later in my career, at a different trust, a new director was recruited to lead my department. From the start something felt off as several senior leaders quickly left their roles. It became obvious that the director was a bully; we largely worked in open plan offices, and the director thought nothing of shouting at and belittling people in front of everyone, even other directors and the CEO. It was impossible for senior colleagues not to know what was happening, but no action was taken. The situation worsened with many people taking sick leave or leaving the trust completely. I came under fire as the director didn’t agree with how I led my team or how we worked, even though our performance was excellent. An external consultant was brought in to identify issues with my practice and help build a case against me. The consultant admitted this to me and said they couldn’t find anything wrong to report back. At the time I had a mentor relationship with a senior board member, and I chose to confide in them with the hope of gaining some insight into how I might be able to better deal with the situation. I didn’t know until sometime later, but my mentor was informing the director about our conversations. As time passed, the behaviour worsened and, although many colleagues were experiencing it too, it was obvious I was on my own in wanting to speak up. I was encouraged to go to a senior HR colleague who would be empathetic, so I did and eventually the director agreed to mediation. I was so nervous ahead of the meeting, but it went ahead and to my surprise the director admitted to some of the allegations and agreed some actions. If I thought my treatment had been bad to this point, I had no idea what was to come. It felt like open season with the director’s full toxicity focussed on me. Derogatory rude emails would be sent daily, raising my anxiety as they landed in my inbox. Meetings where we were both present made me feel sick; they would think nothing of singling me out in front of everyone for their derision and nastiness. The barrage was constant and debilitating, affecting every part of my life and breaking my confidence. One day I couldn’t take any more so left work early and crawled into bed at home where I felt safe. I decided to call the senior HR colleague who had facilitated the previous mediation to ask for an update about the agreed actions. I was absolutely shocked to my core at their reaction, they shouted down the phone that I’d had my opportunity to air my grievances, nothing more was going to happen, the director wasn’t going to be held accountable for the agreed actions and I just needed to forget it and get on with my job. Was I naive to expect a different response? I hit rock bottom, felt scared to go into work and knew I had to get out of there for my health and sanity. Even when I left, the impact followed me to my next role; my confidence and resilience were shot and took a long time to rebuild. The director stayed in post for another couple of years until there were so many grievances that the CEO had to act. The sickening part is that after a period of ‘gardening leave’ the director secured another senior role in another trust in the area so will be perpetrating the same toxic behaviour onto others. I know there are thousands of experiences throughout the NHS just like mine and, unfortunately, in many organisations culture and behaviours aren’t improving. This problem is endemic and has decades of history behind it. There is a clear and acknowledged link between toxic cultures and patient safety. Within the NHS Patient Safety Strategy, NHS England states that: "positive patient safety and healthy organisational culture are two sides of the same coin. A culture in which staff are valued, well supported and engaged in their work leads to safe, high-quality care." In order to improve the care delivered to our loved ones, friends and ourselves, the NHS must take action to improve its culture. Forget the financial situation and the waiting lists, this is the most pressing and wicked problem facing our health service today; it permeates throughout everything and unless it is acknowledged, challenged and cured no other interventions will work. Money doesn’t solve toxic cultures, neither does restructuring the NHS for the umpteenth time. Sadly, some colleagues have taken their own lives because of the toxicity they have endured, this needs to stop now. There are no easy answers here but if we don’t put this right the NHS won’t survive. Share your story Have you worked in a toxic culture? Have you tried to speak up? Have you examples of a good team culture? Add your comment below (you will need to be a hub member and signed in) or contact us at [email protected] and we can share your story anonymously. Related reading on the hub Speaking up for patient safety: A new interview series about raising concerns and whistleblowing Speaking up as an agency nurse cost me my career My experience of speaking up as a healthcare assistant in a care home

In this podcast interview series, NHS whistleblower Peter Duffy and Patient Safety Learning’s Chief Executive Helen Hughes explore how the healthcare system responds when its staff raise concerns about patient safety. In each episode, Helen and Peter interview someone who has spoken up about patient safety issues in healthcare organisations, or who works to help staff raise concerns where they see unsafe care. In this episode, Peter and Helen speak to Bernie Rochford MBE, who spoke up while working as a clinical commissioner at a primary care trust. Bernie found serious issues and inaccuracies in records that posed a risk to patient safety—vital information about Continuing Healthcare patients (patients with significant ongoing care needs in the community) was missing from the system, and there were financial anomalies and serious governance issues. After raising her concerns and getting no response from her managers, Bernie found herself classed as a whistleblower and was isolated at work, eventually losing her job and going to employment tribunal. Bernie describes the serious impact this had on her health and talks about how she is now using her own traumatic experience to work for positive change for others who speak up. She discusses the complexities of regulating managers with Peter and Helen, and argues that we need to look at how people relate, rather than looking to technology, to provide a safer future for healthcare. Now a Principal Freedom to Speak Up Guardian, Bernie currently has a Churchill Fellowship award and is researching different global approaches to speaking up. Subscribe to our YouTube podcast to keep up to date with the latest episodes. View a transcript of this interview Read a blog from Peter and Helen about the interview series Can you help? As part of Bernie’s Churchill Fellowship award she will be looking at speaking up and whistleblowing good practice and alternative approaches from around the world. She will be particularly focusing on approaches in Japan, South Korea, the USA and the Philippines. While her research is predominantly patient safety and healthcare focused, Bernie's interest in learning and sharing best practice goes beyond these areas, as we can learn from other industries and cultures as well. If you have any suggestions, ideas, best practice or experience that you can share with her, from anywhere in the world, please email Bernie. She will be very grateful to hear from you! How whistleblowers are passed around the system In the interview, Bernie talks about how she was passed from one person and organisation to another as she tried to raise her concerns. This diagram, which was included in the report of the Freedom to Speak Up review carried out in 2015 by Sir Robert Francis QC, shows the 54 people, teams and organisations Bernie approached to speak up about the patient safety issues she saw.

In this interview series, NHS whistleblower Peter Duffy and Patient Safety Learning’s Chief Executive Helen Hughes explore how the healthcare system responds when its staff raise concerns about patient safety. In each episode, Helen and Peter interview someone who has spoken up about patient safety issues in healthcare organisations, or who works to help staff raise concerns where they see unsafe care. In this interview, Peter and Helen speak to Helené Donnelly OBE, who spoke up about unsafe care she witnessed while working as a nurse at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust. Helené contributed as a witness to the inquiry led by Sir Robert Francis KC into failings at the trust and was also an advisor in the Freedom to Speak up Review in 2015, where she called for the creation of Freedom to Speak Up Guardians in the NHS. Helené explains why she decided to raise concerns about the quality of nursing care at Stafford Hospital A&E and describes the bullying and threats she received from other staff as a result. She discusses with Peter and Helen the barriers that still prevent staff speaking up today and what can be done to create a more open and responsive culture in teams and organisations. Helené highlights the need to reform how human resources departments respond to staff raising concerns and the vital role of embedding speaking up and organisational culture in the curriculum of all healthcare professional training courses. Subscribe to our YouTube podcast to keep up to date with the latest episodes. View a transcript of this interview Read a blog from Peter and Helen about the interview series