I'm greatly heartened by these comments. Also sad that clinicians with integrity can be badly affected by the profession closing ranks. I can only wonder at the dreadful effect on individuals who really care but dare not speak out - they are surely harmed, as are the victims. I think you would find that patient advocates, and especially 'radical' patient advocates, did not want to find themselves on such a journey. Having raised their heads above the parapet they then feel driven to continue trying to bring about change - because barriers to openness and justice are embedded in the system. I'm not just referring to unnecessarry deaths. Thank you Steve Turner.